Reply #29: Where is the problem . . . many. Too damn many . . .

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Where is the problem . . . many. Too damn many . . . First of all, you assume something that is impossible to achieve.

First of all you believe that it is possible to grant all the rights, privileges, burdens, obligations in all the laws -- both all the state civil and criminal laws together with all the federal civil and criminal laws granted to marrieds-only will be granted to civil-unions. How is THAT possible? Seriously. Are you saying that the religion-into-law radical rightwingnuts will be willing to grant all these laws to gays? However, these very same people are not willing to grant these laws to gays now? Thus, it's only a matter of semantics, that is a simple word? "Marriage?"

No. I know it's impossible. Those very same people who are so blatantly in-yer-face-homophobic will remain homophobic. That is, whether the word is "marriage" or "civil union."

It's never been about rights being granted; it's been about the exclusion of gays, overall, P E R I O D. Read the edicts from Rome, from the Holy See, from the Vatican. Read the literature promulgated by the rest of the religion-into-law rightwingnuts!

However, just for argument (for argument purposes only), I'll say it is possible. As such, you are forgetting more, much more. The second-class status of "civil union" and it's non-portability to other (foreign) nations. Marriage is a civil institution that is recognized in civil (and criminal) law in all the sovereign nations across the planet. And, no way in hell (pardon the pun) will the rest of globe bend to the will of the religion-into-law rightwingnut crazies in this nation. The litigation will be legion! Geezuz, some of these nations try to hide kids behind the backs of their laws now but for international treaties and other means to bend their will. And now you want MORE added to their ammunition dump in international domestic relations (family) law lawsuits???!!! HOLY CRAPOLA. It's entirely infeasible.

Does this go to the overall fact that we, Americans, envision ourselves as an island? Superior and unanswerable to other nations? Yup, other nations say we look at ourselves as such as well as treat other nations as if we were. George Walker Bush does. Please don't emulate that bastard.

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edited to add: Take a gander at justin899's post #21, below. He explains, further, some of the legal issues that would befall gays across America. And that's only the tip of the iceberg.

And, welcome to DU, ladeuxiemevoiture :hi:

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