Reply #13: less cause-and-effect, rather historical correlation

[dusmcj]

you take my meaning wrong if you interpret that I suggest that if someone is homosexual, then they are a Nazi. Rather, there is a historical correlation between some of the worst goosesteppers of the Nazi time, and practicing homosexuals of one stripe or another. This has historical antecedents in militaristic societies through the Templars and back at least to the Romans, particularly certain branches of their military - the old fear-of-weakness dogma is translated into personal culture as, it's a male thing, and ideally we create an exclusively male society in _all_ aspects; brotherly love taken to its full extent, including peer-to-peer and top-bottom, optimizes unit cohesion. This general phenomenon is not some invention of mine or mouthing of a homophobic stereotype, it's documented history out of the mouths of the participants. Even if we accept the notion of biologically determined homosexuality, there is still no implication that that is the root cause of the phenomenon (though fools might try to assert that). What is not just an implication is that there are repeated historical instances of cultural structures with one core aspect being a particular flavor of homosexual interaction, also having as another core aspect vigorous practice and espousal of what clearly deserves the label fascism - for the participants, both contributed to an integrated whole, in a very ideological and cultural, as opposed to biological, way... in this case higher consciousness and volition, as opposed to biology, created the - for them - consistent gestalt and life view. And if in the case that they also happen to be homosexual, fascists are supposed to get a pass for the crap they dispense, then we have a problem. Enjoy being gay; if however you bind it to a lifeview which in other aspects is fascist, you're doing the rest of the homosexual population a particular disservice, as well as the general populace.

Of course we can consider the general threat posed by ideology and the drive to impose on reality, more or less well-considered and coherent models which it urges, or more broadly the continuous versus the discrete, but we should probably leave that for another time.