Reply #20: Doesn't this illustrate what's wrong with sports today?

[LisaM]

Many of these cities only got their teams through expansion. I think Cleveland is the most snake bit, and the most wronged - losing the Browns was just a terrible, terrible thing, a slap in the face to the world of fandom. Yes, Art Modell will rot in hell forever and ever, but that's not much consolation now.

Anyway, the point is, expansion = dilution = fewer dynasties, fewer championships per city. Detroit has been lucky, I think we all know that. But they have good fans who deserve it. When the Wings won the Cup in 1997, I'd never seen them win it in my entire lifetime. I felt that we deserved it, as will the Lions, when we finally get good again.

I've been to games in Cleveland, and it's a good time. The fans are nice, fun, and full of spirit. Fans in Seattle are crap. They parse the game to death. They are boring. They barely made a peep when the Sonics were stolen, and most of the people I know here seemed ready to see the Mariners and Seahawks go, too, when that was threatened.