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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #159
160. OFTEN is not ALWAYS. This is one of the exceptions to the No True
Scotsman fallacy, which your own Wikipedia citation allows for.

And I never said that an evil person couldn't CALL himself a Christian. (That's your definition of being a Christian, not mine -- which is why this whole argument of ours is so incredibly circular.)

I said that Hitler, by his actions, proved to the world that he wasn't a true Christian, no matter what he may have called himself.

Your problem is that you are attempting to make (what you view as logical) extensions to what I say that actually go beyond what I'm saying.
I'm making no statement that Christians are always good.
I'm making no statement that atheists aren't just as good.

I'm just saying that by my definition -- which I know isn't yours -- Hitler was not a true Christian, because he obviously did not share a Christian's most basic moral beliefs. His behavior belied that.

An atheist, however, isn't defined by any particular set of moral beliefs, because atheism is more of an absence, than a presence of beliefs. An atheist could have the highest ethics, or the lowest. It wouldn't have anything to do with his or her atheism.

I'm afraid you're going to keep bashing your head against that wall because we're never going to agree on this.
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