Reply #35: Hmmm…And what a pity you can not/will not respond to the core points/questions.

[ironbark]

“The complete misconstruing of our past arguments aside”

1/ Your prior expressed opinions on related issues are germane to this one.
2/ You cannot/will not deny referring to the principle 'surrogate community' as “horseshit”
3/ You cannot/will not deny referring the Fire Brigade as a primary 'protector' re child abuse.

All of your prior ventures into the realm of social work/social welfare display complete ignorance of and distain for the role of ‘relationship’ and ‘community’.

“psychology/psychiatry and general "therapy" were conflated in this subthread was by S4P”

And rightly so in his identification of the common features- not “objective work, like plumbing or automotive repair” and in the identification of the centrality of establishing a “therapeutic relationship”.
That does not confuse or conflate the role of Psychiatrist/Psychologist with that of Therapist/Counsellor nor pretend that the latter would be reaching for the DSM.

“My objection and ridicule of his post is based in the fact that he went off about psychology…”

Rubbish. He did not go “off about psychology” and your ridiculous “ridicule” was flung at his
“harping on this "relationship" idea”. You have not and will not return to explain how >any< insight might be gained regarding the client without first establishing this silly "relationship" idea”.

“he wasn't talking about anything related to the actual practice and study of psychology or psychiatry.”

Yea? And any minute now your going to actually answer a prior point question and tell us how the fuck a psychologist is going to gain insight from a client and reach for his diagnostic DSM WITHOUT HAVING FIRST ESTABLISHED A > “therapeutic relationship” <….????

We don’t need psychs or shriks to know that your not going to answer pertinent questions…we only need the record of the board.

Meanwhile basic 'Active Listening' plays out and your points/questions get answered directly-

“ tell me, Mr. Social Worker, do you deny that training is required in order to become a therapist?

The legislation governing training/practice of ‘Therapy’ or ’Counselling’ often alters from State to State depending on the nature of therapy/counselling being conducted. In many instances there is little or no training involved beyond ‘In House’ courses and ‘on the job’ training. If you think such training is universal, comprehensive or in depth you are, yet again, sadly mistaken.

“Do you deny that professional distance and objectivity are required of all counselors, sex- or otherwise?”

Yes. I deny it as a requirement of “all counsellors”. There are some fields of counselling in which ridged professional boundaries and objectivity are essential and others in which such boundaries are a counter productive bane. Youth Counselling/Youth Work is an example of the latter in which a much greater degree of flexibility is required and the parameters of the ‘therapeutic relationship’ blurred. In such instances the 'Counselling' is far less like objective science and far more like intuitive dance.

You tell me what "professional boundaries and objectivity" says when the 14yo male Ward of the State wants to test his strength and wrestle with the Counsellor/Worker? You are now in realms of complex consideration as to the boys best interests, growth and development and lessons re >his< boundaries.

If I thought you had anything other than wilful ignorance of and contempt for the nature of the therapeutic relationship and/or therapeutic community I would elaborate.

“Just by the way, I thought you might be interested to read up on the company you keep with such arguments about how church is required for community and charity. Happy reading...”

Uh Uh…If you cannot explain or defend your >own pov< on the issue don’t try to palm off >someone elses pov< on me and expect me to respond to it.
You have had three bites at the related welfare/charity cherry thus far and fled each time-
The first was in relation to communes and communities…you forged and fled.
The second was in relation to surrogate community family…you cried “horse shit and fled.
The third was your complete rejection of church run agencies as being in the front line of child protection and your claim that the Fire Brigade was a real protective agency…then you fled again.
(Need the links?)

Now you attempt to foist anothers pov on me. An ethically inept and intellectually bankrupt gambit.