Reply #33: Yes, we do, indeed. And talking to them about

[liberalhistorian]

it is like spitting into the wind. They just scream louder at you, then claim that you're not a "real" Christian because you don't subscribe to THEIR particular theological perspective. Fortunately, I think the religious left is beginning to recognize that we need to start being more forceful and push back more, instead of trying to always be "nice" and "reasonable" about it.

I think we're realizing that pushing back more doesn't mean being hateful or mean-spirited, and that we're going to have to start doing it. The religious left did that during the abolition movement and the civil rights movement and the "urban" movement of the late 19th-early 20th century (trying to get justice and better working and living conditions for tenement/slum dwellers, factory workers, working against child labor, which was quite common at that time for the lower classes, etc., etc.), when many "traditional" churches just wanted to keep the status quo. We need to do that again, especially the battle for justice in health care.