Reply #25: Interesting discussion...

[TreasonousBastard]

but probably ultimately fruitless, not in the least because we are living and thinking in a 3-dimensional universe. The 12th dimension may be where the answer lies. Or may not be.

The mathematical arguments are interesting, but if there is indeed random activity in the universe, random activity always seeks stability unless it is further stirred up somehow. It rarely, if ever, manages to achieve that stability, though, for whatever reason, and just constantly seeks it.

This eternal march toward stability could in itself be what we would consider determinism on our pathetically low level of observation.

Bertrand Russell, btw, argued passionately for the possibility of the prediction of the dice roll, the butterfly causing the hurricane and anything else that could be known if we just had all the facts. I don't know if he ever admitted that it is impossible for us to get all the facts.

Heisenberg had a lot to say about that.