Reply #26: How about, ALL opinions on political Rorschach tests are BS

[Land Shark]

maybe that's more clear.

It's either secret vote count (which it is) in which case it's a Rorschach test to interpret that count or claim evidence to support it since a zillion things can happen on the way to the voting booth (not just voter suppression, but that too).

As Hobbes I think (first) pointed out when underlying terms are not defined debate is necessarily irresolvable differences of opinion.

Or, alternatively, its not secret vote counting at all (enter land of absurdity here) on electronic vote counting machines and all underlying data and so forth will be disclosed in which case we could get somewhere eventually. But we know that's not going to happen, not even in a congressional election contest like FL-13 separated according to "official" results by only a few hundred votes where the trial judge denied discovery into the code running the machines.

As far as Febble's claim that goes far afield to Bush and kerry: There's not any 'corroborative evidence' supporting a bush victory that didn't ALSO exist the minute prior to the election vote counting getting started (i.e. just before there were any vote counts) -- so such arguments/trends, etc. aren't really any direct evidence at all of the real count. At least there's No ADMISSIBLE evidence relevant to those counts since the very definition of ballot or holdings related to ballot in jurisdictions i've read is that NOTHING outside the ballot itself is allowed to impeach or modify the meaning of what's on the ballot. The ballot stands alone, so to speak. The ballot counts, of course, are the only "real deal". The examples you seize on to support the idea of a bush victory would not be admissible in court to show that the loser truly was the winner. Possibly they might be admissible for the purpose of showing a new election was needed because we don't know the true winner, but that would depend and probably vary around the country

All of the anecdotal stories one could tell to support one side or the other don't get us anywhere. What matters is the vote counts, and we've got Febble hovering over those vote counts to take out exit pollsters for their actual or alleged sins, leaving us with nothing but secret vote counts which are nothing but pure conclusions, without any evidence to support them.