Reply #23: AHHHH I hate to argue with you guys. . . .

[Truman01]

I want you to be right, but your "feeling in your heart and soul" and your "rough estimates in your head" are hardly proof of anything.

IF Bushco can pull off a fraud of such proportions as you are alleging then WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO HOPE. If they are that deep into the fraud then elections have lost their meaning.

I know where this comes from. WE want so desperately to believe that we don't have to deal with shrub for another 4 years, but it looks like we are going to anyway.

I think it is easier for us to sit around and blame the Black Box Voting (don't you sue me Bev) than it is to just admit that we need a more unified message that speaks to people. We are trying to be everything to everybody. I like Dean. You might not like what he said all the time but you knew what you were getting. He was consistent. He wasn't for the war and then against the war. He is/was and outsider, and that was that.

I think a clear concise message, being unabashedly liberal will bring us to victory in the polls. I know it is heresy to say it, but Dean and Jackson had no ulterior motives when they said on CNN Shrub won fair and square. That is the first thing we have to come to grips with before we can fix it.

We can fix it. We just have to live with the puke of reality until we do.

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