Reply #41: actually, I didn't even go that far

[OnTheOtherHand]

I said that a majority are unconvinced that fraud altered the outcome -- which is not quite the same as saying that a majority hold the "view that the problems associated with 2004 weren't outcome altering." I agree with you that the latter attribution is also accurate (unless, perhaps, one interprets "problems" very broadly). But -- further 'sweet' irony -- I was trying to tailor my claim as narrowly as possible, so that people would not leap to the conclusion that I was trying to shut off debate.

Yeah, right.

Thanks for bringing us back around. In a strange and, yes, depressing way, this thread has made my point much more thoroughly than I ever expected.