Reply #12: TIA, please elaborate

[Bill Bored]

It's important that we understand which polls you're referring to.

Are you saying that the ratio of Dems to Repubs in answer to the party affiliation question on the final state poll reports was 38/35? Surely it wasn't the same in every state, and I'm not sure that question was even asked on the state polls -- was it?

Some may disagree, but I think this is a KEY piece of data because it proves that in order to give the bush the win, or anything close to it, the turnout numbers had to be adjusted in favor of the Republicans. Also, unlike the secret ballot, there should be a way of checking the party turnouts INDEPENDENTLY of both the exit polls AND the election results. This is what you want if you're going debunk one or the other.

So far, all the efforts I've seen on either side rely only on self-consistency, i.e., the exit polls are right because they just are, or the election results are right because they just are.

We need some independent means to verify that one or the other is wrong. I think the turnout numbers are the way to do that. And of course, they can also be affected by such things as registration fraud and voter suppression, both of which we know actually took place.

If you sign up 1 million new Repukes and 1 million new Dems have there registration thrown in the trash, or are prevented from reaching the polls, you might end up with an equal turnout which, combined with other factors, gives bush the win. I don't know why this idea is given such short shrift on this board when the "proof" is right there in front of us in the very same exit polls AND on the ground.