Reply #69: Add Greg Palast's report on black voter suppression...

[Peace Patriot]

to that list (of what you need to have read to be minimally informed on this issue).

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won.php

It doesn't "prove" fraud. It merely explains how 3 million black and other minority votes were prevented or disqualified--almost enough to change the popular vote outcome. Combine that with even half the incidents of malfunctioning machines (always defaulting to Bush) and weird, impossible, anomalous numbers (always favoring Bush), and it adds up to a fraudulent election and a wrong result.

Two other points, flintdem:

1) On your quoting Mitofsky on his various (unsupported by any data) excuses for why his exit poll was "wrong" (for instance, "Hypothesis Two. Bush voters were less likely to be interviewed (this one comes from Mitofsky)"), bear in mind that the man is trying to save his ass and his business right now, under godawful pressure from BushCons and collusive TV networks. It's like believing a man who is being tortured. Did you see his report today? It's absolute garbage. I've never read anything so incoherent--from a supposed expert.

2. On the 2% "skew" to Kerry in the exit polls: You have missed the point of all the expert analysis. It's not the "skew," it's WHERE the skew occurred. It was lopsided in the battleground states Bush needed to win. If there were some prejudice in the polls, it would show up evenly, no? Or more or less evenly? Not "skewed" to the most critical states. And the odds against this are astronomical.

Look, I don't at all think you are stupid, or blind, or in denial, or a freeper, or anything else. I read your post carefully, and I think it just doesn't hold up. I don't think you know enough, and I therefore can't accept your advice to "get over it." And I really don't think you've read the documents I've listed.

As Dr. Freeman says, in his second paper, it is very difficult to face these facts--that our democracy is not what it seems.

And it may be that those of us who have seen through this delusion of democracy get a little nuts about it.

What I want is an honest appraisal by everyone--all Democrats and all Kerry voters--on what our situation is now--what it really is, unvarnished, with all the facts before us--and what we do next.

I think we are in very, very big danger of losing our democracy. In my opinion, we've gone beyond Germany 1933, to Germany 1934, with the fascists now controlling all the mechanisms of government--the presidency, the Congress, the courts, the military, the intelligence apparatus, the media AND the election system.

And it is no innocent fascism--if there could ever be any such thing. It is a fascism that is slaughtering people and torturing them, and planning to invade yet another country.

We are in very great peril and we really cannot afford arguments like this about whether the fraud is "provable" or not. They control the election system. That's all we really need to know, given all else.