Reply #51: Your positions are very well reasoned

[Philly Buster]

I generally agree with you.

I believe fraud took place. It takes place in every election, some big city political machines are famous for it: Philly, St Louis, Milwaukee and of course the infamous Daley machine in Chicago.

I don't trust paperless electronic voting. I also don't trust people to manually count votes either, too much room for monkey business.

The election results are hard to accept, a big disappointment. But that does not mean there was enough fraud to throw the election to Bush. I think most of the theories expounded here (especially exit polls) are just a way of coping with the election results. People just can't accept the loss so they make their minds believe it had to be fraud.