Reply #13: I join Andy in the fact of fraud - but I join you in your concerns

[papau]

By the way - there is an excellent book out on the fact that group think gets to the right answer more often than individual educated guesses! (this is re your "Janis, Irving L. (1972). Victims of Groupthink. New York: Houghton Mifflin" :-) )


Can one have a Belief in inherent morality – and still say the leaders of the GOP leaders - certainly not even a large minority - just the leaders- do not mind stealing an election because they buy the rightness of their cause and therefore ignore the ethical or moral consequences of their decisions - as in have you met Grover Norquist?

delegitimizing our own electoral system and form of government and increasing people’s cynicism is a problem best solved by paper ballots, perhaps optical scanned - but with all software in an eprom that was burned by the Feds and is open to public inspection.


Of course a Democrat believe that fraud didn’t happen, have rational arguments for that belief, and not be an agent of the evil empire. So what are the arguements? Ignore peer group pressure - please do not Self-censorship.

Self-appointed ‘mindguards’ are not part of the DU I know - discussions with multiple opinions do not mean folks are protecting the group from information that is problematic or contradictory to the group’s cohesiveness, view, and/or decisions - however DU does demand links to source since the GOP approach is assertion with no facts and is impossible to "defeat" - for example Condi today.

I agree "Everyone is biased!!!" :-)

"Do I really think that John Kerry after a lifetime of seeking the presidency would get this close and then drop the ball if we had credible evidence?" NO Yet we so believe our own circle of views that we picket his house!!! TRUE Have some respect for the man and his judgement!!! NO - the picket is to get him to reconsider his position - why is that wrong?

I agree that not Only republicans steal election - I just find the Dems without the ability to do it well because of lack of corporate control and central office procedures/setups.

News reports are indeed on a conservative bias of late - I do not see why seeing that fact makes saying a news report is wrong something you should not say.