Reply #42: Exit polls?

[Bill Bored]

Cali,

I think there are only disagreements about the magnitude of the fraud.

The major piece of evidence that there was widespread national fraud sufficient to swing the election is Mitofsky's infamous early exit polls, which unfortunately, even he has said were not properly adjusted. If, for example, he sampled the wrong precincts, this could skew the results. See: <http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6533008/#041124a>

Now either we trust this guy or we don't.

If we do, and he's telling us to ignore his own polls, then we have to look for other evidence of fraud until such time as he releases his raw data, which John Conyers, among others, has asked him to do sooner rather than later. I think we need to direct a bit more public outrage against Mitofsky since so much of this fraud hypothesis rests on his data and he has not been forthcoming with it.

Personally, I think the GOP could have hacked the early polls to help them get out the vote, but DU-ers are pooh-poohing this idea in droves, in favor of the larger conspiracy theory. It would however be much easier to tamper with data on a few co-located servers in Mitofsky's network, than to perpetrate the fraud on over 3,000 central tabulators nationwide. Anything is possible though and we should keep our minds open.

Dick Morris has suggested that the Dems hacked the exit polls to boost THEIR turnout by making it look like Kerry was ahead. This argument is completely false in my view; an early Kerry lead would get out the Bush vote -- not Kerry's! But Morris' story could serve as a cover for the GOP hacking the polls, the actual election, or BOTH.

Now, OH and FL were probably hacked in various ways, beyond the usual "glitches" inherent in the voting processes. That's why OH is being contested.

FL, I'm afraid is no-man's land. A failed state not unlike the old South Africa. Only regime change down there, or perhaps a massive economic boycot of the state could change things there, unless Clint Curtis' story can be turned into prosecutorial evidence. I hope it can be!

One more point: Peter King's district does NOT include Queens, NY. And there are few if any electronic machines in NY State. Yet there was a large Red Shift in the those infamous exit pools in NY -- among the largest in fact. This remains unexplained.

There are a number of reasons why people voted for Bush, but too many to go into in this post. The GOP propaganda machine alone accounts for MANY votes. It would be nice if media reform were the solution to this whole thing, but unfortunately, it's probably not. We need to work on election reform too, in a big way. With the Republican majority in Congress, the state level is the place to do this!

I therefore propose we sue the states, and maybe even the two major parties, to force them to prove to us that our votes are being counted correctly as cast. They can _not_ prove this because of the proprietary nature of the voting machines and software, and so they will either have to get the machine code released and inspected, or change the laws to require a paper trail, and actually USE it to verify EVERY election. That's the answer IMHO.

Now who's with me?