Reply #29: I agree with your logic completely, but who would be able to get

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a criminal investigation going? Is there anything we can do to help push it along?

I am glad you said what you did. I think the reason many of us are thinking civil is because it is within our reach. I can totally see this as an active criminal investigation, but am very unclear about how this should be pursued (what venue? who prosecutes? can private citizens or attorneys get the ball rolling? can we start on a more local level and then expand the complaint to cover other territories?).

We know that:
- These machines are purposely left insecure.
- Main vote machine companies have questionable ties to each other, and have a number of felons in their employ (one case had to do with creating complex and hard to spot "back doors" in some major theft effort).
- So many errors occured
- Errors benefit republicans exclusively (or near so)
- Results are statistically impossible in many areas that use the machines
- Key chief officers not only support the party who benefited but in at least one case claimed to be able to "deliver" Ohio's electoral vote to Mr. Bush; this all adds up to a good surface case.

The rest can be found through discovery, and the machines could be impounded through the process.

Thank you very much for the replies, btw. :) :)

Warmly,

George