Reply #1: Thank you for this

[nam78_two]

I whole-heartedly agree...Most liberals who I have met that describe their own "libertarian"
views are at the end of the day not libertarians at all. Most libertarians (there are exceptions) tend to fall into the centre-right mold-with the more extreme (and scary) ones being those Objectivist Ayn Rand bots...

This captures the essence of it:
For one thing, a lot of the views liberals tend to think of us libertarian-ish liberal positions aren't actually especially libertarian at the end of the day. For example, liberals, like libertarians, don't think the coercive authority of the state should be deployed to discriminate against gays and lesbians. Unlike libertarians, however, liberals generally think the coercive authority of the state should be deployed to prevent discrimination against gays and lesbians. We think that landlords shouldn't be allowed to refuse to rent houses to gay men, that bartenders shouldn't be allowed to refuse to serve them, that employers shouldn't be allowed to fire them, etc. Liberals believe in a certain notion of human liberation from entrenched dogma, prejudice, and tradition, but this isn't the same as hostility to state action, even in the sex-and-gender sphere.


Most mainstream libertarian groups (I realize its an ideology and thios doesn't have to be part of it but its certainly true right now) are strongly anti-environmentalism ,anti-animal protection, anti-labor laws etc.