Reply #93: That's your opinion...

[sendero]

... and I don't share it. It's not about "sovereign state" either, it is about the magnitude of a mistake, the level of delusion. Although I suppose a valid argument might be that Hitler had a better chance of eventual success with his plans than Bush ever will. The idea that we can fight our way to Middle East Democracy is just ludicrous.

I can stomach someone who says "we're there and we need to do our best to extricate something of value from this" (although I don't agree that it's possible to do so), which maybe you would agree is pretty much what Clark has to say about it. I can and do totally respect Wesley Clark.

But to continue to insist that the war was a good idea is more than I can stomach. It's not Lieberman's support of the war alone that is the problem. It is the fawning, mypoic, "stand by my man (Bush**)" part that sticks in my, and I suspect most people's throat.

This war goes way beyond mistake, it is well into debacle, fiasco, Waterloo territory. I just don't see any argument to the contrary.