Reply #10: That Kagan article is very interesting

[meganmonkey]

I read it this morning.

It got me thinking about a lot of things.

I think the Dem voters would do very well to be as critical of their own leadership as they are of the Repubs.

I have seen people here in total denial about the reality of Dem party leadership, Dem complicity in the war, the PNAC agenda, and corporate welfare, and the inability of a significant amount of truly progressive dems to infiltrate the Congress (because of the party leadership which is fighting against the will of the voters).

If the Dems in Congress are complicit (aside from a few exceptions, of course), then are not the voters themselves complicit? By believing vague promises when there is no evidence that they will be kept, are the voters not propping up the status quo - a status quo we know will result in more war profiteering, less jobs, less social services...

I just think that if we truly want change we need to start from truth and honesty. And the truth is, unless something extremely unexpected happens, the next several years, even with Dems in the majority, will be more of the same with some superficial changes. Yet I see people here say that the war will end if the Dems win back congress and the WH, or that NAFTA will be repealed, or we'll get universal health care...but if we look critically at the voting history of and campaign donations to the Dems, we see a checkered history.

We need to be honest about who we are supporting, or we are fooling ourselves. Just like true fiscal conservatives were fooled by bushco and most of the other repubs in office. The Democratic party, for the most part, is not what we would like it to be. It is a slippery slope. How far are you willing to let it slide?