Reply #58: The answer has been, when I asked, "Kerry first."

[LittleClarkie]

"It's not our fault if Kerry won't stand up and lead us," they say.

Horsehockey, I say. Get up and move. No one should have to tell you when if you're that angry.

Once again I look to the Ukraine for inspiration. I don't care how much US help the Ukrainians got in the election. No one was going to make them stand out in the frigid cold if they didn't feel it for themselves. Cuba should have proven to us that some things can't just be manufactured out of thin air. There had to be an undercurrent already there, or no matter how much US interests pushed, it wasn't going to happen. Can you imagine the average American going through that kind of hardship?

Well, actually, I'll take part of that back. Many went through much hardship to vote in the first place on Nov. 2. That makes our current situation doubly upsetting.

Even if we don't get a flip of the election, we MUST fix the vote. As I said further up, I'm having trouble getting people to admit even THAT much.

Bless the Ukrainians. Democracy is still shiney and new for them. They haven't learned to take it for granted yet.