Reply #125: Look.

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I wouldn't have gone into Iraq even if the fucker HAD nukes, period.

Nobody here is propping up this stupid war. The FACT IS that if Kerry is elected he will be responsible for it's outcome, fair or not.

He can cut and run and allow the entire mess to meltdown into open civil war and spread into neighboring countries and that may be the inevitable no matter what he does. But that wouldn't be good for anyone, least of all the Iraqi people, who have seen enough war and death don't you think? Don't you think it's worth a shot to try to fix this mess without a bloodbath that will make what is going on now a fucking giggle?

There isn't a "shred of evidence" that training and equipping Iraqi forces can't work, either. It is not "discredited" because it hasn't been done in way that isn't just a CYA by Bush before the elections or to cover up the fact that this is a full scale occupation.

The Shiites in the south and the Kurds in the north, as well as Iraqis who wanted to hope for some future without a dictator, Iraqi OR American, did indeed hope that something could be salvaged from this mess, this is their real future we are talking about. We had a small window of opportunity and blew it, not only because Bushco. was incompetent and had no plan, but because a "free and democratic" Iraq was never in their plans to begin with. So, there is no point arguing over what has been done, because of who did it and why. The point is, Kerry will inherit this mess and just walking away from it without even attempting to change course it is not an option, not as a first choice.