Reply #5: ideally I would agree. But these are desperate times and I would say ABBN - ANYBODY BUT NEOCONS

[Douglas Carpenter]

there dlc'ers and there are dlc'ers. Some are definitely foreign policy neoconservatives - some are not. Evan Bayh is a a dlc'er who is also a foreign policy neoconservative.

If one of these nuts ends up influencing American foreign policy, hope for peace in the Middle East are dashed and the likelihood of new imperial wars in the Middle East are dramatically escalated.

If America finds itself going down this road, the the direct and indirect human suffering caused by this lunacy is more than anything we can ever imagine and the current mess we are in will look like a Sunday school picnic. And we can rest assured that with a wrecked economy caused by stratospheric oil prices, and a bankrupted budget deficit caused by un-winnable and intractable conflict will so massively exceed anything we have already seen even under Bush and Cheney - there will be nothing left for social and infrastructure improvements to move our country forward.