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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:43 AM
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55. It is not rhetorical. You always start with a pre established formula and then pick facts
to reinforce it. You seem to be impressed by voluminous citations as a substitute to reality. Your self description as a 'realist' is the least accurate self description since Glenn Beck proclaimed himself "a thinker".

Yes I am well aware of your half baked conspiratorial theories. You believe the populace to be under the control of a coordinated designed strategy of control from MSM forces that are directed by some comic book figure in an underground lair. You also think that you are a realist. Neither has anything to do with what is happening in the real world. The reality is that the information systems of the country have never been more decentralized so that even self proclaimed 'pseudo intellectuals' can publish and put it out for like minded readers to lap it up.

The reality is the media is in full conflict with itself. Newspapers are losing revenue and leadership. The three main networks are losing viewership every year and their market revenues are falling. They are not in control of anything and are in survival mode. For being such powerful controlling forces most of them are having difficulty maintaing profitability.


There is not going to be a unity ticket for half a dozen reasons but not the least of which is that the Clintons are not going to give up the $ 35 million that they have collected for a GE fund that they would then have to use for the general election. She has done everything possible to sabotage an invitation to the ticket so she can walk away and convert that money to her PAC.


There are many erstwhile Clinton supporters who are still argue the merits of their candidates nomination. Some do it while acknowledging that she is almost certainly not going to be the candidate and others have an almost religious devotion that a miracle will do so. I respect both of these folks for their commitment and passion.

Masking your agenda in tedious pedantic lectures on the misogynistic nature of the media is not worthy of the same kind of respect.

The irreducible fact that you cannot face, because you are not interested in truth or reality, is that Hillary Clinton entered this campaign with a largess se of advantages that are staggering to catalog. Advantages in branding, name recognition, 20 years of FOB connections, prestige of the White House, connections with dozens of states organizations, hundreds of city organizations, $ 30 million in revenue head start, a built in cadre of nationally famous surrogate cadres including a popular former president.


Despite all of these advantages she has been unable to grow her number five percent in three months. During that same time Obama has moved from 38% to a 51% or an increase of 30% from his base of support. Your silliness can best be boiled down to


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he seemed to peak in mid February
unquote

Given that he currently has the highest percentage he has ever had how do you call that a 'peak'






Here are some simple straight forward statements that you in all of your thousands of citations and mangled verbosity cannot face:

1) Despite entering the campaign with substantial advantages Hillary Clinton has not been able to advance her positive numbers beyond the MOE in three months.

2) Regardless of how effective Senator Obama has been at least half of this campaign has been about the rejection of Hillary Clinton as the prospective leader of the Democratic Party.

3) Senator Obama's lead in the nominating process continues to grow. He has won more delegates in Jan. Feb. March, so that by the end of each month his delegate lead is larger than what is was at the beginning of the month. Even if Hillary manages to salvage a win in Pennsylvania her delegate win will be no more than 10 pledged delegates and that will be less than what Obama will have gained in realignment of pledged delegates, endorsements of super delegates and add on delegates.

4) Senator Obama is going to arrive in Denver with a substantial delegate lead of perhaps 150 delegates or more.

5) August 24th Senator Obama has a 95% likelihood of being the nominee of the party.

6) Those that are committed to Senator Obama are not going to be deterred in pressing their advantage. His depth of support which is reflected in among other things the number of donors and the sums he raises, is an indicator that having won the most delegates, the most popular vote, the most primaries, the most caucuses, the most donors, the most money raised, the most non appointed Super Delegates, the most governor endorsements, the most senatorial endorsements, having won all of these we are not walking away.

7) The Clintons have actively sabotaged the possibility of a unified ticket and no major party figure advocates it or predicts it and several including Speaker Pelosi have stated categorically that it is not possible.

8) The media is becoming more decentralized not less. Traditional media conglomerates make less profit not more. There is no objective indicator that suggests that they are in control. Simple examples like Drudge show that now more than any other time in the last 200 years it is easier to by pass the media and get information to the people.


Until you have faced these clearly well established realities please do not call yourself a realist you are free however to return to your fantasies of those big bad media moguls that are pulling the strings on how every one thinks or acts.

As long as you were spinning your ridiculous media conspiracies you will get a pass but when you self proclaim yourself as a 'realist' when you avoid basic reality and when you seek to undermine and discredit Obama's victory by arguing that Hillary has been cheated by misogynistic conspiracies then you will be called on it.






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