Let’s Step Back From The Bullshit Of This Forum And Take A Look At Where We Are

[matcom]

First things first cause some idiot will ask: I am an Obama supporter but will vote Hillary enthusiastically if she is the nominee.

Now for the meat…

Tonight, March 5, 2008 the Dem party is in real trouble.

Obama can’t lose the delegate count. The math says so.

Unless…

Floriduh and Michigan break the rules (yet again) and somehow get their delegates seated. If there is no runoff, Hillary wins. Argue the merits of that scenario in another thread. That isn’t the point of this one.

What happened in Texas and Ohio? Many good dems voted their conscience and I had no doubts the races were going to be tight anyway. What else happened?

The republicans voted. They voted for Hillary. Why? They were told to by every Right Wing radio host in this nation. From Limbaugh to Hannity to my local guy. Hell, my local guy was GUSHING on my ride home this afternoon. He PLEADED with Rhode Island REPUBLICAN voters to get out the vote for HILLARY yesterday. The memo went out this week and the repukes lapped it up. Every RW radio host used the SAME LANGUAGE over the last 2 days to plead their case to their sheeple. They want the Dem Party to destroy itself from the inside and they are succeeding.

Barring that, if Hillary doesn’t get out now (remember, she mathematically CANNOT win currently) she and Obama will throw what, $50-$60 MILLION at each other between now and Pennsylvania? Again, Penn doesn’t matter as currently, HILLARY CANNOT MATHEMATICALLY WIN. What will come out of Pennsylvania will be 2 bloody and battered candidates. Fodder for McCain. Let there be no illusions there.

So, what does it all mean? One thing it means is that WHOEVER GETS THE NOMINATION, IT WILL NOT BE THE VOTERS WHO DECIDE. Last night was the last chance for the VOTERS to decide this race. The party elders WILL be the ones to make YOUR decision.

So, do we stop the bleeding now or let it drag out for 7, 9, 15 weeks? Sensible people will vote to stop the bleeding now. Otherwise, we might end up with a nominee who is too wounded to face McCain in November. Folks it is VERY plausible.

Let’s get something straight. A ‘Dream Ticket’ is next to impossible ESPECIALLY if we have another month or two of fighting. Thought the ‘Kitchen Sink’ strategy was something? Got news for you. You ain’t seen NOTHING yet. From BOTH sides.
LET THE PEOPLE VOTE you say. They can’t anymore. One side will already be ‘disenfranchised’. No stopping that now. You Hillary supporters are going to be MAJORILY pissed off. You Obama supporters are going to be MAJORILY pissed off. You both have your right to be but it won’t last very long if things happen QUICKLY.

So, you agree with the above (or not) and you say, “Matcom, what about the SUPER DELEGATES?”

Ok DU member. YOU are a Super Delegate. IF things stay the same and Hillary cannot win mathematically, do you support her with your vote anyway? DO YOU DENY THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN THE CHANCE FOR THE PRESIDENCY BECAUSE YOU OWE CLINTON A FAVOR?

Can you IMAGINE the backlash?

Ok DU member. YOU are a Super Delegate. IF things stay the same and Hillary cannot win mathematically, do you support Obama with your vote? DO YOU DENY THE FIRST WOMAN (AND A CLINTON) THE CHANCE FOR THE PRESIDENCY BECAUSE OF FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN AFTER MONTHS OF INFIGHTING?

Can you IMAGINE the backlash?

Now, put on your DEM PARTY hat for a minute. Forget that I support Obama (as clearly stated, and forget whomever YOU support right now). Ready?

Ok. Just want to make sure we are ALL thinking here for a moment. Put the PARTY first for just this moment over YOUR candidate. Just for this moment.

What makes the most sense in light of the FACTS right now? Say all of the above stays the same. If your crystal ball showed that 8 weeks from now all that is true today remains true.

Clinton should drop out. Tomorrow.

Now, go ahead and yell. I THINK I have approached this rationally and with thought. Remember, whatever happens *I* am voting for either of them but before you flame (which you will anyway), take one final deep breath, reread my post from the beginning and know that I HOPE we can keep this an INTELLIGENT discussion.

Peace.