Reply #246: or perhaps

[Djinn]

as a dint of being active within the Dem's for years, seeing how organised labor has been screwed just as much by Dem's in recent years than by Republicans (there are quite a few Dem's with WORSE labor records than some Republicans) seeing how they are just as beholden to corporate lucre, they ahve decided the electoral system is BROKEN BEYOND REPAIR.

This "if you don't vote "centre-left" then you're dumb or a right wing troll" is tawdry and counterproductive.

I hear it constantly from people who think giving out flyers on polling day makes them an activist. They berate me for giving up on the ALP (our Dem's) yet a bit of probing ALWAYS uncovers the fact that they have never even been an ALP member, let alone attended branch meetings and conferences.

The have the nerve to demand I'm loyal to a party they have ZERO organising exprience in.

I'd happilly put my political knowledge and experience up next to yours OPERATIONMINDCRIME, particularly given you seem to think (in common with the OP) the way to bring disaffected people back into the fold is to tell them they are stupid.

YOU need them more than they need you. I have zero faith in the ballot box as a means to getting things done - I know of a million other ways that are faster and longer lasting, however you know of only ONE way to elect Democrats.

Tell everyone on the left they're stupid and see how far it gets you.

The Republicans didn't get to where they are now by denigrating the far right.