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Bo Bike Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:47 PM
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91. Wow super sized.
I am sorry, I did not mean to offend you. Your education level is probably higher then mine. The reference to the Franklin quote has more to do with thought process then it does with book smarts, plus it’s the only quote I could come up with. A bad choice? Probably.

I never said “Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness” guaranteed us the right to health care. I said, “I feel health care for all at no charge is a right, a right that is written in to the declaration of independence.” Is it a constitutional right? No, but it is a right that there can be no debate. Not only is it an American right, health care is a human right. You may not think we have this right and you would be wrong. You may not think it’s guaranteed, and you would be right. Right now in America, the last super-power on the planet, health care is a privilege, a privilege only guaranteed to the rich. The only people that benefit from our current health care system are the ones that sit in the boardrooms of big insurance and big pharmaceuticals. You say you want to help the poor. That’s a good idea but how about helping the middle class as well. I don’t know what your financial standing is but for argument sake lets say its middle class. You think you have great insurance? Think again, because the company that is providing for your health care would do every thing in its power to NOT pay your claims in the name of profit, or NOT authorize that life saving procedure because they labeled it “experimental” in the name of profit. You would still have the procedure done but you would be paying for it the rest of your life. That is not the “right” that Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine envisioned when they were formulating the declaration of independence and taking those first steps to lay down the seeds of our democracy.

Here is how it works for the poor of America. In a way every one is already guaranteed health care, by law. If you are with out any money and you are with out insurance and you become ill. It is against the law for you to be turned away for care. Who is paying for that? You and me. You see, in a way, we already have universal health care, a very inefficient and one-sided health care but universal health care.

As far as my comment on the republican playbook, that was my fishing expedition. Even though you didn’t respond to it then, I will respond to you brining it up now. The statement was not a dig but a point of observation. The Republican Party has made it a cornerstone of their platform that small government less regulation and lower taxes is good. The result is f*#k you to the states, less regulation for their corporate buddies and less tax for the rich. Not only that but the politicians that are elected from that party take over a government that they do not agree with. They proceed to break it then say, “See! It doesn’t work!” This all started with Ronald Regan and has been that way ever since. I feel government can undertake universal health care they just need the right people in charge and need to take it in steps.

Not sure what your point is on the education thing. Maybe you can enlighten me.

As far as the rest of your statements, “what color is the sky in your world?” A very funny line from Cheers. I loved that show. On religion and pro-choice, we can agree on that 100%. The point about being pro-gun. All I have to say on that is the second amendment to the constitution was speaking of a regulated militia not an individuals right to bear arms.

Have a great Thanksgiving!
B
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