Reply #85: Wow 3.

[Zavulon]

You and I don't agree on anything we're discussing at all, that's for sure. If you think that Hillary's vote was correct at the time instead of political posturing (I certainly don't), the one thing I think we can agree on is that there isn't anything we could say to convince each other.

If you believe that the idea that health care = the right to life (along with liberty and the pursuit of happiness), then the same thing applies.

My analogy of organ donation was basically a fishing expedition because I so strongly disagree with your Delcaration of Independence / life / health care notion that I just wanted to see where you stood. I wouldn't have been surprised with any answer you gave because I find the notion of the Declaration of Independence guaranteeing health care so bizarre, but I was hoping for something a bit more detailed than "Your analogy of organ donation is ridicules."

No such luck, but I'll ask ona couple more things just for the hell of it. Please note that these questions are not facetious.

1.) Assume for a moment that John Doe is horrifically ugly and grossly overweight - no chance of a significant relationship whatsoever, and tremendous problems getting a job. If health care = life, would optional surgery such as plastic surgery and liposuction = pursuit of happiness? If the answer to that is yes, should the taxpayers also be on the hook if the obesity was caused byown fault?

2.) Also, should sex change operations be covered by taxpayers if the patient is perfectly healthy? This wouldn't fall under your "life" bit, but it would certainly be a "pursuit of happiness" thing - something guaranteed in the same line as "life" was.

As far as Hillary, if you have anything else to add, feel free to have the last word on her - we're so far apart that I don't see the point in discussing her anymore. You believe what she says, I don't. I'll wind up voting for her if she wins the nomination because the GOP opposition is guaranteed to be worse, but I'll be holding my nose and carrying a bag to puke in just in case I don't make it from the booth to the basket. I wouldn't trust her to make change for a dollar for me, much less tell me the truth.

I'll check back on Monday at the latest to see if you wanted to answer. Obviously, no obligation, I'm just curious to see how you answer, if you do. It's been a long time since I've been so far apart with someone and still found the conversation interesting; usually my counterpart is some Repug who simply claims I hate America because I don't support the war and never have.

Have a good weekend.

- Z