Reply #97: Get over it

[ruggerson]

The fact that you have to reach into the gutter to question someone's Democratic bona fides in order to respond to an opinion you disagree with just demonstrates my point in spades.

I have written, and responded to, many posts about how we must reframe the debate, in very specific language, on specific issues. I have discussed, in depth, in that context, Iraq, national security, immigration, abortion, gay marriage, taxes, healthcare, privacy rights, and a host of wedge issues which I believe could work very effectively for our side. Many of use here have had long, in depth discussions about the ideas of Thomas Frank and Lakoff and how their theses can be applied in practice to bring home traditionally Democratic voters in the ensuing elections. If you didn't read any of the aforementioned threads, or if you disrupted them, that tells me all I need to know where your head is at.

I wrote my post out of frustration because half of the discussions that I and others have been involved in recently were HIJACKED by one issue devotees inserting their defeatist "it wont' matter what we do, because it's all rigged" mantra and trying to thus destroy the productive brainstorming. Candidates read this forum, and I would hope they occasionally get ideas from us, or our discussions spark some thought. But I wouldn't blame them if they stopped reading here out of disgust.

You do yourself no favors by accusing me (and everyone else) who want to focus on strategy and winning of being "Republican neo cons." It's the worst form of juvenile debate, and, again more than anything else, only illustrates the character of the shrill accuser.

I don't have to demonstrate to you my Democratic bona fides. And neither does any other committed Democrat who agrees with me. This forum is for Democrats to discuss ideas with each other. On occasion, that discussion is going to be an internal examination of Democratic strategy, without references to this administration. I didn't criticize George Bush in this thread, because this thread is NOT ABOUT him. It's about us. Read my other hundreds of posts lambasting Bush where it is relevant to do so.

Your post is laced with red herrings, personal attack idiocies, angry language and regrettable misinterprations (putting it politely) of what I wrote. It really didn't even merit a response, but I had a couple of extra minutes this morning and thought I'd waste them.