Reply #99: fact can be pimped by both sides

[SemperEadem]

for every fact you throw at them, they've got 7 of their own to hurl back at you... and you still haven't persuaded them from their position. You've only succeeding in getting them further entrenched in theirs.

This isn't about bludgeoning them into submission with 'facts'. This is about framing the question so that they come to our side of their own volition, thinking the whole time it was their bright idea.