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exploited Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:37 PM
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117. Interesting eyewitness reports there -- 4 from USA Today employees
Given the witnesses with names:
8 didn't see the aircraft strike the Pentagon.
6 people did -- 3 who worked for USA Today; 1 worked for the Pentagon; 1 was a priest *gasp* who's account is contradicted by a senior Navy Times writer; and the remaining is a pilot who said the jet crashed into the ground dissipating most of the energy before hitting the building.
3 of them mention the C-130 closely following the AA jet.

You cut'n'paste bandit you :P Those quotes appear all over the interwebnetwork in this format. Surely you looked a little deeper before they helped form your opinion. In case you didn't, I did, just in the interest of objectivity.

Joel Sucherman - USAtoday.com editor
"I heard a sonic boom and then the impact, the explosion. ... There were light poles down."
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/other.html

"Within a minute another plane started veering up and to the side. At that point it wasn't clear whether that plane was trying to maneuver out of the way and out of the air space or if that plane was coming around for another hit as well. That plane ended up disappearing into the sky."
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/F77penta10.html
Heard sonic boom before impact (757's don't go that fast!), saw second aircraft


Allen Cleveland - train passenger
"I was just pulling in on the subway station just at National Airport. I just happened to look over - actually my back was facing in the direction of the Pentagon - I looked to the right of the train as we were coming into the station, and noticed a jet flying in real low, about a mid-sized passenger jet flying in. I know it was silver, that's the only thing I know."
http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm (your link)

"Soon after the crash (Within 30 seconds of the crash) I witnessed a military cargo plane (Possibly a C130) fly over the crash site and circle the mushroom cloud. My brother inlaw also witnessed the same plane following the jet while he was on the HOV lanes in Springfield. He said that he saw a jetliner flying low over the tree tops near Seminary RD in Springfield, VA. and soon afterwards a military plane was seen flying right behind it."
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/other.html
http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm (your link)
Didn't see crash. Saw C-130 following jet


Frank Probst - retired army officer/information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program
"and I saw this plane coming right at me at what seemed like 300 mph. I dove towards the ground and watched this great big engine from this beautiful airplane just vaporize."
http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm

He recalls the engine passing on one side of him, about six feet away.
http://www.911-strike.com/pentagon-all.htm
The engine missed him by about 6 feet i.e. the aircraft had a very low altitude at the time. How close was he to the building? How did he survive the blast unscathed? The web has some speculation that he was employed to "manage information"


Mike Walter - journalist USA Today
"I said 'that plane is really flying low,"' he said in an interview. " It disappeared and I heard the explosion and saw a ball of fire. It was an American Airlines plane. You saw a big silver plane and those double A's."
http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/eyewitness-accounts-flight77.htm
Didn't see it crash


Fred Gaskins - national editor USA Today
"(The plane) was flying fast and low and the Pentagon was the obvious target,"
(...)
It was flying very smoothly and calmly, without any hint that anything was wrong.'"
http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm
No hint that anything was wrong -- except the effin' obvious??


Aydan Kizildrgli - an English language student who is a native of Turkey
We have no evidence that this person said anything about seeing a plane hit the Pentagon
http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/eyewitness-accounts-flight77.htm

Kizildrgli was found wandering in an Arlington neighborhood about five miles from the Pentagon an hour after the crash.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/attack-usat.htm
Spurious witness??


Omar Campo - an Arlington cemetry gardener
Omar Campo, gardening in Arlington Cemetary, saw a
passenger plane, over his head, and shortly afterward felt
the ground shake with an explosion.
http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/C-fraud/01-911/2004/05C1-06-12-04-attack-on-pentagon-inside-job.html
Didn't see the crash


Afework Hagos - computer programmer/ consultant for Nextel
saw the plane bank around and fly into the Pentagon, its wings see-sawing before it disappeared.
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/globe_stories/0912/New_day_of_infamy+.shtml
Didn't see it crash


Tim Timmerman - pilot
"And then it came out, and I saw it hit right in front of -- it didn't appear to crash into the building; most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground, but I saw the nose break up, I saw the wings fly forward, and then the conflagration engulfed everything in flames. It was horrible."
http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/eyewitness-accounts-flight77.htm
The pristine lawn wasn't used to dissipate any energy


Steve Eiden - truck driver
'witnessed the aftermath'
(...)
'he watched the plane disappear behind a line of trees, followed by a tall plume of black smoke'
http://www.awitness.org/journal/pentagon_passenger_jet_quotes.html
Didn't see the crash


Father Stephen McGraw - Opus Dei priest and former Justice Department attorney
"I saw it crash into the building,"
Praise Jeebus. Let Him speak the truth through thy servant!

"After seeing the plane crash a split-second later, I assumed that it was a terrible accident, and, with my holy oil and stole and manual of care for the sick, I left my car, crossed over the other lanes of traffic, which remained at a standstill, and onto the lawn of the Pentagon."
http://www.catholicherald.com/articles/02articles/mcgraw0905.htm

Mark Faram (senior writer with the Navy Times newspaper) said that he saw the priest leap out of his car and go to aid others yet Faram also said he didn't arrive at the crash scene until ten minutes after the crash.
http://www.911-strike.com/eyewitness_explicit.htm
http://www.911-strike.com/eyewitness_debris.htm#FaramMark1
Hmmm, who is mistaken?


Steve Anderson - Director of Communications, USA Today
"I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball"
Once again, nice lawn out front


Henry Ticknor - intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington
As he neared the church, he was stunned to see the plane dip to the horizon in front of him, and then see the cloud of smoke rise up.
http://www.uua.org/news/2002/91102/reflection3.html
Didn't see the crash


John O'Keefe - managing editor of Influence, an American Lawyer Media publication
"There was no huge explosion, no huge rumbling on ground, it just went ‘pfff.’ It wasn’t what I would have expected for a plane that was not much more than a football field away from me."

"The first thing I did was pull over onto the shoulder, and when I got out of the car I saw another plane flying over my head, and it scared ...me,
(...)
“Then the plane -- it looked like a C-130 cargo plane -- started turning away from the Pentagon, it did a complete turnaround.
http://www.nylawyer.com/news/01/09/091201l.html
Didn't see the crash. Did see the C-130


All this amateur sleuthing that you & I (and millions of others) are indulging in yeilds nothing concrete. It certaintly isn't able to provide you with proof to vehemently claim the high ground. The issue remains open to speculation. You can thank your government for that.

A previous poster questioned why the nutters are so vocal on this issue yet remain silent about other subverted bastions of state. I think the question has a simple two-part answer.
1. Clearly, we're not comfortable feeding on the government's bullshit explanations
2. This was the 'Pearl Harbour Event' for The War on Terra.

It's still a hot topic -- until the truth comes out
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