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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 03:46 PM
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64. The Nazis?
Recently, a visitor to this forum had the temerity to refer to yours truly as a nazi for closely examining the life, and alleged death, of Barbara Olson and for pointing out that one Arab Muslim man who supposedly hijacked Flight 77 is still very much alive.

The terms Neo-Nazism and Neo-Fascism refer to any social or political movement founded on the ideology and symbolism of Nazism or Fascism.
Neo-Nazi movements are generally anti-Semitic, racist, and xenophobic.
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism

This accusation was MOST disconcerting to a person who actually enjoys studying Jewish religious law and who is also very well aware of exactly which groups have been labelled as terrorists by BOTH the US State Department as well as the government of Israel.
http://www.terrorismanswers.com/terrorism/introduction.html

You will recall that, according the mass media, Barbara Olson died as a result of the terrorist hijacking of Flight 77.
You will also recall that Barbara Olson NEVER missed an opportunity, including her own demise, to lash out at Democrats in general and Hillary Clinton in particular.
http://usembassy-australia.state.gov/hyper/2000/0814/epf105.htm
http://www.jewishsf.com/bk000818/1ademoconfab.shtml
http://www.cnn.com/COMMUNITY/transcripts/2000/12/19/zuckermanolson/

Knowing that both pots and kettles in the past, have united to allege that entire herds of sheep were legally black,
http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/9/8/02341
http://www.terrorismanswers.com/groups/kkc2.html
it became imperative to determine if there was indeed any connection whatsoever between Barbara Bracher FirstHusband Olson and the Nazis of World War Two.

It turns out there there is no connection.

Barbara was a Texan, from a family whose ancestors came to this country from Germany. She went to the all-American University of Texas and also a Catholic college, St. Thomas in Houston. She became a professional ballet dancer in San Francisco and New York because of the beauty of dance, the rigor of its discipline, and because you have to be extraordinarily tough and ambitious to do it. And Barbara was extraordinarily tough and ambitious.
http://www.fed-soc.org/BKOlsonMemorialLecture/bkolsonlecture-111601.htm

Barbara Bracher was of German stock.
But then again, according to Al Martin, so is Karl Rove.

And where would Rove go? Karl Rove, it should be noted, is a dual citizen of the United States and Germany. Because of his position he has special diplomatic status. The idea is that if its absolutely necessary he could go to Switzerland where he couldn’t be extradited.
http://www.almartinraw.com/public/column106.html

Being German does NOT automatically make one a Nazi.
A lot of the people who wound up badly singed, hair and all, in Birchenau, the concentration camp, were themselves German.
http://home.earthlink.net/~lskennen1/Birkenau/birkenau.htm

What is true is that Karl Rove personally knew Barbara Olson and attended a service held for her.

The goodbyes came faster in Washington, where the physical destruction was more limited. Pentagon rescue workers quickly reached the grim conclusion that no one could be alive in the charred wreckage, so families were free to plan their farewells. Conservative commentator Barbara Olson was remembered just four days after the crash with a service at the Cathedral of St. Thomas More in Arlington. Sens. Phil Gramm, Orrin Hatch, Mitch McConnell, and Don Nichols sat in the first two rows. Two of President Bush's top advisers, Karl Rove and Karen Hughes, sat just behind them, listening to sermons and eulogies that were not just a celebration of life, but a grim call for justice.
And justice, sometimes morphing into revenge, was the theme as Washington returned to work. Talk radio callers demanded an immediate, indiscriminate flexing of America's military muscle, but the Bush administration worked feverishly to gather intelligence on alleged mastermind Osama bin Laden and to build an international coalition against him.
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/09-29-01/cover_1.asp

But it is hardly fair to blame either Barbara Olson or Karl Rove for the actions of Osama bin Where-the-hell-is-he-anyway?

A little over two months after his wife was killed on September 11, Ted Olson, the Solicitor General of the United States, received a photograph from the US Air Force. It showed a laser-guided missile before it was launched from a strike aircraft against a Taliban target in Afghanistan. The name Barbara Olson had been chalked on the side of the weapon in her memory.
"It looked like a 500lb bomb," says Ted Olson, his grief-racked face creasing into a smile for the first time in nearly an hour. "She would have liked that. Barbara was a warrior, so she would have wanted to fight back. And she would have applauded the people who did go and fight back."
Karl Rove, President Bush's chief political strategist, has described Barbara, a writer, lawyer and political commentator, as "Ted's departed Spitfire".
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2002/telegraph030502.html

Most Arab-Americans and Muslims were EXTREMELY saddened by the events of September 11, 2001.
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/09/17/muslims/

In June 2001,(Sami) Al-Arian was among members of the American Muslim Council invited to the White House complex for a briefing by Bush political adviser Karl Rove.
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/11/Floridian/Friends_in_high_place.shtml
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31172
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79131,00.html

Arab-Americans and Muslims could take some -- some -- comfort in a Reuters/Zogby poll released Monday. Eighty-four percent of those polled said that the U.S. was at war with a small group of terrorists who may be Muslim, as opposed to 8 percent who assessed the U.S. to be at war with Islam in general.
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/09/17/muslims/index2.html
http://www.usforacle.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2002/09/09/3d7c9506c1a4b

You will recall that both Hillary Clinton AND Al Gore WON their respective races,
http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/08/08/hillary8_8.a.tm/
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=gore+won
although Hillary was the only one who attained office.

Karl Rove had a lot do with the fact that George W Bush is eating pretzels in the White house.
But it is NOT his fault that Ted Olson and William Pierce have the same birthday.
http://books.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,11617,763067,00.html
"The enemy of our enemy is, for now at least, our friends...we may not want them marrying our daughters...but anyone who is willing to drive a plane into a building to kill Jews is alright by me. I wish our members had half as much testicular fortitude.".
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Pierce
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Alliance

That is the extent of the connection between Karl Rove and Barbara Olson.
And there is NO REASON to call this woman, or anyone else on this forum, a nazi.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3255.htm
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