Reply #176: This is what happens when you believe in a lie.

[seatnineb]

rh deludes himself....
If(fl77) had come in at tree top height before spiraling down it would have been off radar all along.

Wrong.

If it were monitored by a Terminal Radar Approach Control it would be observed as a primary target assuming NO OBJECT such as a Building or a Mountain or a tree was between the plane and the radar.

But fl77 only went down below tree level merely a few seconds before it hit the Pentagon.

He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off.
Dan Creed.

Seems like the naval annex is taller than the trees.



So eat it rh........
The plane disappeared off radar just a few seconds before it crashed.

It did not disappear off the radar screen because it was "spiraling down" from a great altitude(7000ft).

And if fl77's transponder was turned off then NO ATC would have a clue as to how high it was.

Unless they were in contact with a C-130 Cargo plane.

But...

The information regarding the C-130 was not released to the public until OCTOBER 17 2001.

Exactly one month AFTER the CBS SEPTEMBER 17 2001 article which said :
Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes.

How could a news agency like CBS have access to information that the fucking Pentagon did not have!(on 9/17/01)

In the days immediately following the Sept. 11 hijackings, the Pentagon had no knowledge of the C-130's encounter, because all reports were classified by the Air National Guard, the Pentagon spokesman said.
http://www.logofilo.com/PentagonC130&KeithWheelhouse.html

The 9/17/01 "source" for the CBS article was probably the NTSB who, according the 9/11 commission report , had a document entitled:
NTSB report Flight Path Study-American Airlines Flight 77 - 9/17/01.

No shit man!

What the fuck are the NTSB doin here!
I thought that this is supposed to be a criminal investigation with the FBI callin the shots!

And.........

Here you have a contradiction.

Information obtained by an ATC at Reagan National regarding fl77's altitude was given by a C-130 cargo plane whose "presence" was deemed to be classified information that not even the Pentagon knew about it!
Yet you have the NTSB(who should not even be here) presumably taking information from this Reagan National ATC Chris Stevenson.

Chis Stevenson who........
Looked at the radarscope and saw that the jet was about five miles to the west.
He looked out the tower window and saw the jet turning to the right and descending. The jet did a full circle and whoever was flying knew what he was doing. The wings never rocked or oscillated
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002-08-11-voices_x.htm

Oh really?

He saw this with his bare eyes?

Well Stevenson's testimony does come a bit late.8/13/02

Was Chris Stevenson using binoculars?...like Ken Ford.....whose testimony beat Stevenson's by nearly a year(as far as the public is concerned) and who saw the same plane from the State Department Annex across the Pontomac.
According to Ford it was" a two-engine turbo prop that flew up the river from National. Then it turned back toward the Pentagon"

Now before you try to criticize my Geography........
Take this into account.....
Later, we were told that it was a 757 out of Dulles, which had come up the river in back of our building, turned sharply over the Capitol, ran past the White House and the Washington Monument, up the river to Rosslyn, then dropped to treetop level and ran down Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon.
Scot Cook.

Rosslyn lines up quite nicely with the state department across the Pontomac which gives a guy(Ford) using binoculars a pretty good view.

Between Washington D.C's 9/11/01 eyewitnesses who have seen:
757's or turbo prop planes...
Planes that still show altitudes on radar screens even when their transponders are turned off!
ATC's who can see aircraft 7000ft in the air with their bare eyes.
Wings that either fold back,fly forward or shear off.
Wheels that are extended or retracted.

Quite franky......I would not believe any of them.