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shaayecanaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 12:40 AM
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77. You're asking me to prove the existence of a universal negative...
it doesn't work that way. If you think that there are any Jews who have had their PR revoked on the grounds of not having lived in Israel for seven years, by all means point to them. I can certainly point to plenty of Arabs who have suffered that treatment.

And yes, I mentioned dual citizenship - I'm not quite sure you understood the distinction. I will go through this again, very slowly this time.

1) A number of countries with significant numbers of Jewish emigres do not recognise dual citizenship - particularly countries in the former Soviet Union.

2) These countries, typically, will refuse to recognise foreign citizenship if it is granted onshore (ie within that country). If it is granted offshore that country will treat the obtaining of a second citizenship as a renunciation of the first.

3) Therefore, if a Jew was to migrate to Israel from the Ukraine, and obtain citizenship on arrival, their citizenship in the Ukraine would be treated as renounced were the Ukraine to find out about it, and they would be refused entry if they attempted to return to the Ukraine on their original passport.

4) There is no problem if they only obtain permanent residence in Israel. They remain citizens of the Ukraine only and their passport there is not subject to renunciation. They can also work, travel etc within the former CIS including Russia as holders of a CIS passport.

5) For that reason, many ex-CIS migrants to Israel became permanent residents only as a matter of convenience, particularly because there are no time limits on the travel facility of Israeli PR - although, anecdotally, very frequent travelers will experience informal pressure to obtain an Israeli passport.

Unlike yourself, I'm not for splitting Jerusalem which would transfer Arab neighborhoods to the PA (against their will).

As you've pointed out, 97% of East Jerusalemites have chosen to refuse an Israeli passport, evidencing their intention to remain Palestinians. They are overwhelmingly in favour of Arab East Jerusalem being part of a Palestinian state.

Neither, like yourself, do I have the shitty attitude towards Palestinians you've demonstrated here WRT those living as refugees in Lebanon.

Bullshit. Back that up with anything that I have said.

So who the fuck are you with the nerve to accuse me of being racist?

You are indeed. At least I have the balls to back up my statements with arguments, unlike the stupid David Duke references you put in every sentence you post.
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