Reply #41: ok....this is what i don't understand...

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Their treatment of non Arabs and women is appalling. It is also, unfortunately, very likely that they will be run as a religious state which is even further bad news for the female population and non Muslims. However, it should be up to them to decide what kind of country they want to live in.

why would one, in the progressive/liberal world, promote the addition of an additional state, with all of its intl rights that from the start that has no intention of living up to the western ideals of civil rights, that the UN was founded upon? That from its very foundation will be restricting civil and minority rights.....what kind of "liberation is that"....liberation for part of the society? Furthermore once as a state, they will no longer, practically have any pressure to change.


and who is this "they" does it include the women and non muslims who may not want to be treated as second class? and furthermore what if generation 2 and 3 (post statehood) actually want a democracy, why should they be forced to go to the streets as in Iran (failed) Syrian (murdered) Libya (bombed) gaza (beat up) and possibly anyway get themselves a hamas version of government (which is what gaza got, and even if there are "buyers regrets" now its too late).

what is it that promotes nationalism over individual rights here?