Reply #230: I have no respect?!

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At this point, iverglas, I know that you're trolling in an effort to get me to step outside the COC and catch a ban. That way, you can chortle to yourself and your cats about how right you were-kind of a masturbatory self congratulations. But I'm not going to play along and attack you. Your ideas, however, are repugnant and should they spread like the slime mold they are, they'll bring only rot and revulsion. Now, let's see if we can find any valid logic in your verbal diarhea, shall we? sNo respect for the truth, no respect for other people, just a great big ball of self-interest wrapped up in an agenda.

The truth, as gleaned from the article posted is that a CCW holder stopped for gas. As he was filling his truck, another individual jumped into the driver's seat. The CCW holder ordered said individual out (not entirely sure if he had already drawn his weapon or not), and the aforementioned individual (criminal now, as trespassing is illegal) made a furtive movement towards what the victim (the CCW holder, as he is now a victim of a crime) percieved as an immediate threat. Maybe the criminal said something to the effect of "I'll blow your head off, but that's speculation. Anyhow, the victim, under the belief that he was going to have no choice, fired one round at the criminal, who then sped off, rolling the truck and expiring in the process.

Please, feel free to point out any departure from the known facts. Or you can admit you had a glass of smug this morning and withdraw your statement insinuating that I am a liar.

Next, It doesn't seem to me that people driving Yukon Denalis and carrying guns need any standing up for.


So he got what was coming to him, is that it? A little "social justice"? I thought you disliked vigilantes. Aren't you an officer of the court? I would think you'd find that sort of barbarism abhorrent That's the kind if mob idiocy that leads to lynch mobs and riots. What about equal protection under the law?

It does seem to me that unemployed undereducated teenagers who steal cars (maybe mummy and daddy went to Europe and left the cupboard bare?) do need standing up for.

They need schools that teach them, they need an economy that provides jobs for them and their parents, they need housing that is safe and secure and sanitary, they need communities with public services and a functioning private sector and without gunfire and danger on the streets.

Yes, because an adult, of legal age to enter into a contract, buy property, join the military and in countries with sensible alcohol laws, buy a pint, shouldn't be held responsible for his actions. There are lots of folks wandering around who had absolutey horrible childhoods. You know what most of them do? Suck it up, realize that life is anything but fair, and continue on a productive adults.

As for danger and gunfire on the streets, did you somehow miss the fact that the dead guy willingly and intentionally engaged in a dangerous activity (carjacking) and that most of the gunfire in carjackings come from the poor disadvantaged youth trying to steal shit and not being shy about using violence to accomplish that goal. Someday (God forbid) if you find yourself in a situation like that, I hope that the criminal exercises restraint and doesn't beat you to death to ensure no witnesses

And as for this little bit, "And I see the same people pretending to be so stupid that they think they can claim a basis for saying rotten shit like:

So it's the owner of the Denali's fault for having a nice car?"

I wasn't being facetious-I was asking if, in your opinion, it was the owner of the Denali who was at fault. After all, you've been indignant that a citizen with a CCW might have the unmitigated gall to protect himself and his property and you've been tying your tongue in knots trying to provide justifications as to why the thief should have been allowed to get away with it, I mean, you've even made presumptions that the thief came from a bad home and was forced to steal cars because "unemployed undereducated teenagers who steal cars (maybe mummy and daddy went to Europe and left the cupboard bare?) do need standing up for."

There are kids who come from good homes where they had all of those things and then got mixed up in gangs and drugs. Unless, of course, you're insinuating that only poor uneducated African-American youths commit crimes. In which case I am appalled. 19 is an adult in the US. You and you alone are responsible for your actions. This ADULT-not child, nor really just a harmless teenager anymore, CHOSE to commit a crime. Chose to continue the attempt even when caught red handed, AND tried to pull a gun to help make good his escape. He decided to gamble with his life, and he LOST.

I can't believe there are people in this thread, granted, only a couple of them, saying rotten shit about the fucking VICTIM of this crime. You'd nominate the carjacker for sainthood and ask for an accellerated beatification if he had managed to murder that nasty man who wanted to keep his car and wasn't happy to be stolen from.

So why are you so supportive of armed robbers?