Reply #69: I try to stay out of the Gun Dungeon, to many people NOT willing to listen.

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A debate requires both side to provide their side to the argument. Here we have a person who wants to hang his hat on one case, even if that case does NOT completely support his argument. I have read the case he cited and copied it below on another part of this thread, all Miller holds is once evidence exist to support a claim of self defense then the burden is on the prosecution to disprove that defense. The law you cite holds a similar position, no intent no conviction of a crime that requires intent (I do almost all civil law and in such litigation intent is rarely an issue).

Anyway, that is one of the problems with the Gun Dungeon, to many people NOT wanting to truly discuss the issue, instead want to yell their position tell the other side shuts up. That is not a debate that intimidation and one of the reason I try to stay out of the Gun Dungeon. When I go in the Gun Dungeon I try to bring in supporting facts for the point I am trying to make. I will disregard what turns out to be bad or wrong, see the good points other people are making and retain the points I have made that are good and supported by the facts (Which in the debate on Gun Control case also means the law and history). I have found to many people in the Gun Dungeon who do NOT want to look as facts, just one or two (at most) that support their position. Thus I tend to stay out of it, it was where I first went to when I joined DU several years ago but I rarely go they now except if it hits a point I want to make or I believe people should hear. Other then that I stay out of the Gun Dungeon.