Reply #42: You know who wins this debate?

[depakid]

People who live in places that are largely free from gun violence

Where people don't live with such pervasive fear that they feel they have to be armed- and put themselves and their own families at a greater risk harm because of the "need" tp "protect themselves."

Where people have universal healthcare- and aren't so frightened of crime and focused on draconian punishment that they run the world's largest and most expensive prison system, even locking their own underaged kids away for long periods of time. Or for life.

Where there are no such thing as so called "zero tolerance" laws.

Where higher education is more affordable- and for people who choose a trade, there's more than a living wage, and fair labor laws to ensure against abuse.

These folks are real the winners here- the lucky ones.

They rest- much as Obama noted, will end up clinging to their guns.