Reply #107: I'm terribly sorry I didn't ask in the proper form.

[Raskolnik]

Thank you for being gracious enough to overlook my clumsiness and provide some discussion. I'll try not to let you down again.

Your discussion, however, doesn't seem to be anything other than some truisms:

- people who claim to be concerned about "responsiblity" in firearms handling (see Mr. Regola's website, quoted earlier), and about the safety of children in relation to firearms, are sometimes shown to be lying pieces of shit by their own actions

- people who claim to be concerned about "responsiblity" in firearms handling are sometimes shown to be irresponsible pieces of shit by their own actions

- people who qualify to possess firearms by all the usual standards of their jurisdiction sometimes handle firearms in ways that no "responsible" person would do

I certainly can't take issue with any of those statements. Of course, the reason I can't take issue is because you've just made some general statements of fact. Of course some people behave irresponsibly. Of course innocent people often bear the costs of that irresponsibility. Of course people are often hypocrites. How is that in any way unique to the FIREARMS POLICY question?

Your statements are merely the givens from which any rational discussion of FIREARMS POLICY must start. Now that we both agree that people are capable of behaving like people, we can take the next step and actually see if this particular set of facts has any bearing on FIREARMS POLICY. Do you think they do? I certainly don't.