Reply #7: If you wish, ignore the word "utopia." All I was trying to say was...

[phantom power]

when these guys demure on nuclear, it's not a victory for renewables. Conversely, when they demure on renewables, it's not a victory for nuclear.

While we're debating about nuclear and renewables, the people who actually make things happen are moving toward coal. Big time. That, and massive increases to domestic oil/gas drilling, LNG imports, etc.

Just making the observation. I don't really know what it implies, other than that we are all going to be inconceivably fucked by massive climate change.