You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Reply #34: A. I read it [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Environment/Energy Donate to DU
motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #24
34. A. I read it
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 09:38 PM by motocicleta
He appears both what you say and what the anti-nukes say: he knows a ton, but he is an asshole, not just an aggressive proponent. He can prove that nuclear is cleaner and more efficient than anything, but he can't explain why we shouldn't just use less energy.
B. I know of which you speak regarding being called a shill: I suggested we cannot leave Iraq once. We are still there, and we will be, but I will not speak of it anymore, because frankly it's not that important as long as we have the political and media structure in this country. Anyway, it sucks that you get called that shit, but that is not where I am coming from. I don't care if any of you all is a paid nuke shill. I won't buy the nuke line under any circumstances, for the reasons I have laid out, and will lay out again in one moment.
C. As far as keeping energy away from the right: it's over. The right won. Our political establishment has moved so far right that all important energy decisions will be made by a group of politicians under their sway. Including our own. We lost this debate back in 1980, and our side really can do nothing anymore but try and claw back some power. Perhaps in another twenty years we will have enough of the populace on our side ... but that's really too late.

Which leads me to why NNadir pisses me off so much, and why I won't sign on for nukes. This whole thing, our biosphere, is too inertia-bound. We've been dumping fossil fuel based carbon dioxide into the atmosphere for 160 years, and now you all think we can suddenly switch to nuclear and turn the Titanic, with the iceberg in sight? Wake up. There's only one way off this population curve, and I don't think it's up. Look at China. Look at India. Look at our government. We are going to burn up all the fucking petroleum we can get our grubby little human paws on, and there's not a goddamn thing you or I or NNadir can do about it. And then the chickens will really come home to roost. So you want me to sign on to another shitty form of energy delivery so we can develop a whole new set of problems, once our greatly diminished offspring begin to get forceably weaned from petroleum?

Hey, I know humans. I know what we're capable of. We will sell anything for a little convenience - it's part of our genetic makeup. We're gonna roast everything on a greenhouse gas grill, then stew it in nuclear waste. Just don't expect me to get all excited about it.

And generally I just keep my piehole shut. But I can't resist an asshole. If we're all screwn as I know we are, why does somebody with a skewed sense of logic have to be such a dick? It's an urge as old as humans - I'm gonna decide what I think is right, and then I am going to piss off absolutely everyone I can find to show I'm right. And it has never worked. NNadir defies everyone to find one example of a death from nuclear waste (a complete red herring; just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't, and the half-life of radioactive waste almost guarantees that once it starts happening it'll keep going for a long, long time): I defy anyone to find me an example of a completely aggressive dickhead who actually got anything done.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Environment/Energy Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC