Reply #17: Kerry solidly has the vote of veterans

[Nicholas_J]

But a recent poll and mock election among latginos nationwide, have Kerry as the only Democratic candidate who can beat Bush among latino's, as Bush reversed the trend of latino's voting for Democrats
During the 2000 election:


***John Kerry News***

Hispanic voters are joining a national trend, and have less favorable views of George Bush than at any time. A Reuters article reports that among Hispanic voters, George Bush would lose to Joe Lieberman and John Kerry, as well as a "generic Democrat." The only candidate the article says Bush would beat is Vermont Governor Howard Dean, but even the Doctor is within the margin of error with Hispanic voters. Read it here.

Here's food for thought- The Dean deck. Read the article. As regular readers know, I offer no comment on this type of thing. Just take it for what it is, and think long and hard about it when you go vote for a nominee.....

http://kerryblog.blogspot.com/

I posted the article a few days ago...

DEMOCRATS STRUGGLING

Democratic candidates are struggling to obtain name recognition among Hispanics, 61.6 percent of whom declared themselves undecided before the 2004 primary season. Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut leads the pack with 8.4 percent support.

Bush would lose to a generic Democratic candidate by 43 percent to 31 percent, according to the poll.

He fared better against some specific candidates, losing 38 percent to 33 percent to Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts but beating former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean by 35 percent to 34 percent.

Overall, the number of Latinos identifying themselves as Democrats continues to slide -- 40 percent down from 48 percent a year ago, according to the survey.

http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=3310642

For the most part, Dean fails to get support from veterans, and has a BIG problem with the unions, particularyl those in New England, who know him as NOT supporting unions or union issues in Vermont.

In the end, by the time get closer to the nominations and elections, the support of large organizations like unions are critical to getting the voters out in large groups, and Deans so called grass roots efforts will eventually lead to failure unless he can get large scale support from traditionally large organizations. Republicans always have big business, so democrats must have the counterbalance of national labor organizations. Such organizations have beenknown to NOT endorse candidates in the past, so just because Dean is running as a democrat does not ensure the support of labor unions if he gets the nomination. Same thing is he does not get endorsements from major DLC leaders. IN the end, Dean is going to have to come begging to those he has insulted. Of course, not supporting Dean is going to be the revenge of the Clintons for Joe Trippi's role in begining their political problems and giveing the Republicans a target.. And sorry, they are not going to nobly support Dean if he gets the nomination, and I would not be surprised if before the first caucus, Bill Clinton and Al Gore throw their support behind anyone but Dean, as part of Gores stemmed from his political relationship with the Clintons.

NO matter what the polls say about Dean and who will vote for who, with all groups in all polls in all states, Dean of the top tier candidates is the candidates who even Democrats EVEN those who selected Dean, view as unelecatble, which is why in the states where Dean is on top, all polls show that even democrats beleive that George Bush will win in their states. Oddly enough, the democrats, in liking what they hear Dean say, are setting themselves up with a losing proposition.

Perhaps it is becasue they sense, what a few of us have found by researching Dean. That Deans campaign message sounds too good to be true, because it is not true. Only those groups like the firegighters unions in New Hampshire, who are lifelong political activists know enough about Dean to know that his campaign is not the Real Howard Dean. Which was why when asked about throwing theri support to Kerry said about Dean....We KNOW Howard Dean. and thats why we will not endorse him.


Firefighters question Dean's support when he was governor of Vermont. The union's summer newsletter features a letter from Steven Locke, president of the Vermont firefighters' union, which raps Dean.

"I would like to tell you that Governor Dean was a friend to the firefighters and public safety in general, however that would not be a true statement," Locke wrote. "In fact, the only positive statement that I can make about our former governor is that he signed our Survivors Benefits bill once we had done all the work to ensure its passage."

Dorie Clark, a New Hampshire spokeswoman for Dean, rebutted the comments. She said Dean has a strong record on firefighter issues.

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/clips/news_2003_0809.html

In the end, It will be necessary for Dean to have a great Dean of endorsement from traditionally Democratic support organizations. They know how things are for them right now, and they know what Howard Dean did to those in their unions when Dean was in charge.

In the end, Dena will not get enough Blue collar or middle class support. He is going to have to do a 180 on his repeal of thew Bush tax cuts for the middle class or lose in a big way either in the nominations, or definately in the elections if he becomes the noominee.