Reply #67: Looked like histrionics to me.

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I'm curious about your reaction to the word "abstinence".

But, beyond that...

Other than changing your "fact" sentence to "SOME humans will subject themselves...", and changing your initial post to (and I'm paraphrasing, since I can't see your initial post right now) "abstinence is against the nature of some humans" (instead of "against human nature), I agree with what you are saying about sex, and procreation, etc.

But I don't agree that abstinence, or celibacy, is against human nature. There are a lot of people in the world who have chosen lives of celibacy. That's why I would adjust your statement to say "SOME humans", and not take it as a blanket statement for ALL humans.

To say that something is "human nature" is to make a quick, easy excuse for a behavior. The human mind is capable of shutting down whatever "human natures" it wants to shut down. Abstinence and celibacy are totally possible. As is beating alcohol addiction, etc. (that said, before I generate another knee-jerk response, let me say that no, not all "human natures" should be overridden by all people - it only works when it's a bona fide choice of the person, whether it be that alcohol addiction is not overcome until a person is actually ready to overcome it, or whether celibacy is chosen willingly and openly, or whatever the choice is - and it's not always easy, no, and, sadly, many people are forced into making decisions to override their "human nature" and it generally results in catastrophic failure; one reason that I think priests should be allowed to be non-celibate if they so choose - sexual needs can be awfully tough to override).