Reply #84: irresponsible ... irresponsible ... irresponsible

[iverglas]

What the hell does that MEAN?

I'm not interested in "flaming"; I'm interested in you providing some rational basis for what you're saying.

"it's time to be more responsible and stop
practicing birth control after the fact when
it's available beforehand"

How is this "responsible"?? How is it *not* "responsible" to do otherwise?

It may be sensible to do it, and silly not to do it. It may be safer to do it, and risky not to do it. But "responsible"??

To whom does the person you're talking about have this alleged responsibility? Responsibility doesn't exist in a vacuum. One can only be responsible *for* something, *to* someone. If you're saying that a woman is responsible for, what, trying not to get pregnant? then to whom are you suggesting she has this responsibility?

"Encouraging adoption is another thing
that would help the division on this issue."

So? If your main concern is the "division" on the issue, you're just another practitioner of expedience.

My concern is the well-being of the women involved, within the limits of how much of my concern they might want, but very definitely including protection of their fundamental rights. I couldn't really care less who might have other concerns, or what they might be. No more than I would care about the concerns of anyone else proposing that someone else's rights be violated.

"No decent person is going to be offended by someone
who has been raped or molested getting an abortion.
Same thing if there is a compelling medical reason for one.
But let's just face it...that's not the majority of abortion
cases, not by a long shot."

So ... what? I care if someone is offended by women's reasons for having abortions? Nope.

No decent person is offended by ANY reason for anyone having an abortion. No decent person thinks that it is any of his/her business.

"More often than not it is just plain old irresponsible
and unsafe sex, which we ALL know is BAD NEWS."

Who "we", white girl? (Said Tonto to the Lone Rangerette ...) I don't know any such thing. Not to mention that I still don't even have a clue what "irresponsible sex" is. Maybe the kind where you don't do your best to make sure your partner has as good a time as you do ...

"Our society has become irresponsible and prone to
making excuses for behavior they know they shouldn't
be taking part in...like unsafe sex. That's the problem."

What on earth you talkin' about?

Who says that anybody "shouldn't be taking part in" unsafe sex? You? What business is it of yours, if the people involved haven't asked your opinion (and aren't children in need of and deserving guidance and assistance)?

What "excuse" does anyone need for doing something that is his/her business and only his/her business? Do you offer "excuses" to anyone for your choice of pizza toppings? Might you suggest to anyone who proposed that you needed an "excuse" for your choices that s/he bug off immediately?

And what excuses are you alleging are in fact offered? In other words, what are you talking about, and what has it got to do with anything?

Who needs to "flame away" when we've got things like this being said about other people already?

You aren't even trying to hang your hat on any of that "right to life" stuff. Abortion doesn't bother you at all as long as the woman has a reason that you don't find "offensive". You find it "offensive" that women would place their own needs, desires and aspirations, in relation both to their sexual activities and to their pregnancies, above your notions of what they ought to do. It's pretty plain what the basis for that kind of position is.

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