Reply #30: MIHOP for my money

[democraticinsurgent]

I have pondered this a lot lately. MIHOP or LIHOP? At what point does passive complicity become active participation? It's a gray area that increasingly has little meaning for me. Our government was clearly in on it. It's treason either way, and murder, among other crimes.

But for those who want to make the distinction, here are some points that pull me in the MIHOP direction:

1. The breadth and intensity of the cover-up (Sibel Edmonds gag, sham 9-11 commission, obvious perjury during 9-11 commission by Condi, Tenet, Ashcroft and others, the furious resistance of * for any kind of investigation, even a bogus one, the destruction, withholding and disappearance of forensic evidence from the crash sites)

2. Not just a few, but many instances of FBI brass quashing agent investigations which could have led to the discovery of the plot, and the subsequent rewards for the quashers and punishments for the whistleblowers

3. Daniel Hopsicker's unheralded investigations of the Florida flight schools as CIA fronts, and the overall expose of Florida as terror central in the US by Hopsicker and Tom Flocco

4. NORAD's convenient terror game exercise on exactly the same day as the actual attacks, and FEMA's convenient appearance in Manhattan the night before the attacks

5. The lack of any significant leadership from *, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Myers until well after the conclusion of the attacks (I'm a fan of the theory that the attacks were supposed to simultaneous and when there were delays, the brass did not know how to act while they were waiting for attacks to be completed)

6. *'s complete lack of interest in capturing Bin Laden once the Taliban had been deposed in Afghanistan

7. Bush 41's meeting with Bin Laden family members on the morning of 9/11 and the subsequent flights out on 9/13 of Bin Laden family members and their Saudi associates

8. The head of Pakistan's ISI being in the US just prior to, and just after the attacks. And his subsequent removal from his post once India exposed him as Atta's paymaster

9. While the government's public stance was that they were stunned by the 9-11 events and caught off guard, photos of all 19 hijackers and their bios became available 48 hours later

10. The peculiar airline stock manipulations days before 9-11 (United, American puts) and the suspicious real estate transaction involving the WTC and its owners a few months prior to 9-11.

I could go on. This is just a partial list off the top of my head. IMPORTANTLY none of the above points gets into missing planes, pods, WTC demolition, discrepant passenger lists, whether the plane in Pa was shot down or not, cell phone calls from planes, etc. All of those points are important and demand answers, one way or the other. But they often serve as red herrings to divide people and divert attention from the clear facts listed above.

I propose that we all try take a page from Michael Moore's book. Focus on the indisputable facts--there are plenty of them--and construct theories based upon those facts. With luck, we'll get * out of office and President Kerry will authorize a real investigation. If that doesn't happen, perhaps we can convince Moore or someone else to make a 9-11 movie that has the kind of impact that F9-11 has had.

What do you all think?