Reply #21: Scoop sends out 250,000 emails a week + we do not have any of these probs.

[althecat]

Scoop sends out 250,000 emails a week + we do not have any of these probs.

Just to put this in perspective.

What is happening to BBV has nothing to do with what Bev is doing and everything to do with organised harassment.

Basically ISPs can do just about whatever the like. Sure they can be sued but they know that there is very little precedent in this area and lawsuits cost money... therefore there is little risk.

Therefore if an ISP feels so inclined they can be a bunck of aholes -like tiger tech and now this other crowd.

That said this is not normal behaviour. The internet is swimming in spam. There are millions of email lists active, most of which do not have proper controls on them. Two stage signup processes to lists ought probably to be mandatory but they are not. From what I recall even yahoogroups allows the administrator to sign up 10 addresses a day without the recipients permission (though this may have changed).

If you think about it the rules that are being appled to BBV are 1) irrational and 2) impossible for the webmasters to comply with.

How can you stop someone else sending the address of your website out on a bogus list? Hell with email set up the way it is someone can not only do that but they can forge the headers on the email so it looks like it comes from you even if it doesn't.

And for this reason the spam police are not complete morons. Moreover the "no tolerance" policy allegedly being run by Bev's ISP is not only abnormal in the industry but it is downright stupid... if he were telling the truth about his policy he would very quickly have no clients.

While Spamcop et al can be harsh at times but by and large they tend to have kind of sensible policies which involve first contacting the offending sites mail administrator about the complaint and seeking to sort it out first.

If you can prove from your logs that you did not send the message they are usually extremely quick to resolve a spam report in your favour.

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Now for Bev. When I first met Bev it was because she sent me an email... I have little doubt that over the years she has sent a lot of email. Now to my knowledge up till now she has had no problems and there are more than a couple of reasons for this.

1. Bev's emails are interesting and are addressed to legitimate people.
2. Bev is invariably extremely polite in her emails.
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3. Bev invariably offers the recipients the ability to opt off if they want.

In short Bev is a professional. She has been doing this for years and she has till now not found this problem.

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Now coincident with the publication of a new batch of chapters, every time a coconut she is losing an ISP.... this is harassment, pure and simple.