Reply #56: We do know

[RazzleDazzle]

So if you're not blaming the victim, and had no intention of doing so, why even bother mentioning "Girls Gone Wild"? What relevance does it have to the discussion other than to bring up an image of badly behaving, probably promiscuous young women? Why not just go straight to your complaints about the media directly, rather than so indirectly, by way of an unnecessary image of promiscuous young women, that you need to clarify after the fact? I don't quite get it.

These words of yours also contradict your disclaimer IMO, especially given the formatting emphasis you added:

125 graduating high school students, 7 chaperones. She was first noticed missing the following morning, possibly only due to not showing up for the return flight.

BTW, if your facts are correct here, 7 chaperones is not nearly enough for that many students. 7 chaperones is about 1 chaperone for 18 students. The ratio probably ought to be one in 4 - 8 maximum. No way to properly protect naive and inexperienced youngsters -- even when they're not actively "asking for it" -- with that few chaperones.

But we know from additional facts which have been uncovered that her behavior that night...

but wait. What I was about to say isn't even relevant. It matters NOT what she was doing or how she was behaving that night or at any other time in her whole entire life. None of the alleged facts you posted matter, about the number of kinds and chaperones and her not showing up, whatever. No matter what her behavior and whether you personally approve of that behavior or not, NO ONE "ASKS FOR IT." EVER. No one deserves or asks to be physically harmed or violated because of her behavior.

Any suggestion to the contrary is society's way of controlling women and making them subservient and 2nd class citizens: prescribe their behavior quite narrowly and seize on any transgressions as justification, excuse and defense of violence agasint them including rape, domestic violence and even murder. (And the converse: making fun of and ostracizing them as "prudes" or "frigid" and such if they follow those societal prohibitions too strictly, all which puts women in the classic unwinnable double bind: damned if you do, damned if you don't, and at risk at all times of getting it wrong.)

Note: The only victims treated this way are women. Only women are "asking for it" if they were molested, raped, beaten, murdered by current or former mates or sexual predators. No other victims are treated that way. No one driving a nice car in a bad neighborhood is blamed of "asking for it" if there's a carjacking. No mugging victim is accused of "asking for it" or "deserving it" if they were wearing nice clothes or jewelry or are out at night in NYC when they got mugged. Some people might be scolded for having been in "the wrong neighborhood," but none of these victims are blamed for having caused, asked for, or participated in their own victimization.



Here are some new facts about this particular case which some people in this thread don't seem to be aware of:

Even tho it's irrelevant except that she's being unfairly trashed on the subject, Natalee wasn't misbehaving that night. She thought the boys were fellow students and that they were taking her back to her hotel. She may have thought one of them was a taxi driver and had probably been drugged.

One of the boys has been taped confessing that all three of them raped her, and essentially bragging about it since she so clearly deserved it. This same boy also had some unkind comments about her mother as well, all of which made him sound even guiltier and more repugnant.