Reply #149: so if they are *that* busy, what hope is there to reach them, then?

[NuttyFluffers]

i think not only have you confused yourself who this original post was talking about, but you've talked yourself into a corner in a fit of rage.

yup, people are busy, some incredibly busy. but they are not *impossibly busy*. not so busy that they *cannot possibly* pay attention to things that *do affect* their lives. because obviously these people out there must know *something* more than work -- because you obviously know them, so somehow they weren't working in a disconnected state *every* waking moment. and if there's space enough for that, and they are tired enough to want a better life, then they have enough time to try to find out what's going on in their world.

you can't base an argument insisting huge swaths of people are in a hopeless situation (re: for them to become informed on their own) and then berate people for not offering hope, candy colored in the only permissable form you allow. you claim they are locked in an impossibly hopeless situation, incapable of the time needed to become aware of what's happening to their lives, but if you believe that then there's nowhere to move from there. it's hopeless and unchangeable.

unless you really don't believe it is hopeless and unchangeable, and then that means that those people's situations can be altered by not only us, but by them. and if so, then a measure of choice must therefore enter the equation. you can't have it both ways. otherwise you'd be asking us to move sisyphus' stone. helping others in hard tasks is one thing; claiming that they are helpless objects of their immobile state and demand we aid in the futile is another.