Reply #9: i like your passion about the issue...

[whalerider55]

but i gotta raise a few points

outta nowhere today, reid and pelosi decide to back a new candidate, Tim Roehmer for DC, not a reformer exactly, more like a DLC clone who participated in a very questionable 9/11 investigation that failed to even demand that rice testify under oath, that bush appear alone.

Remember that the "high-rising" doctor dean is one of only two declared candidates for the position.

reid's comment that he could support Scalia as CHief Justice

Pat Leahy thinks the nomination of alberto gonzalez, who actually served as the point man for * in the search to find loopholes in the Geneva Convention (as in we won't torture you and you won't torture us) is "on track".

those of us who are unfortunatley a little less orthordox and a little more skeptical have a number of questions that the dems have not answered. or are avoiding answers.

the party is in need of reform. there is nothing in Roemer's backround that gives aany indication he will support structural reforms, and supprt the astonishing energy the dean/kucinich (and before them Jesse Jackson) activated progressives brought to the party. the roemer nomination, the willingness of Dem chairs from all over the country to acknowledge how muchg money and energy was generated by the internet and yet ban bloggers from the Q and A period with potential Dem party chairs is mind-boggling, and stinks.

so molly, is it ok if some of us feel that the party has left us, but will still be happy to take our checks? Damn, i sound like zell miller, don't?

and anyway, as i've posted earlier, i have seen not a scintilla of evidence that Kerry is in anyway other than minimally involved in the recount, very little of his warchest set aside for recounts has been spent on recounts; conversely, i have it from someone at the highest level of the MA Dem party, and also one of the mgt team from the Dem Nat Con that Kerry has no plan, that a lot of this too little too late is poturing for 2008.

and even if that was completely untrue, even if they or i were lying, i have posted the same thing on DU a hundred times, and have never gotten a response from the pay no attention to those doomsayers behind the curtain folks- so here it is again...

if we (dems, progressives, green- no wait, the greens are actually doing this) do not frame this issue as one of enfranchisement, if our legislators do not stand as a body (let'say January 6th, at the joint meeting of congress) and say "every vote wasn't cast because of supression and intimidation, and even those that were cast were tampered with, and dammit if you can't count on your own vote being counted why bother having elections"... what future is there for democracy.

that is not advocating throwing in the towel. that is simply saying we could, and the dems could do more. so lets say we take your approach. it's all going on behind the scenes. have faith.
do you think if nothing breaks by January 6th, all the dem senators should stand up and support the house petition to throw out the results.

sure, it would flip to the house then, and we know how they'll decide. but then, they'll have to steal the election in broad daylight. on tv. it'll kind of be like impeachment hearing- high constituitional drama. the msm would have to cover it. tand then the reps get to air all of the evidence conyhers is collecting, as futile as that is. then they steal election- except this time its in daylight, not in scalias office or behind locked election board offices.

your thoughts would be appreciated. i have a little time before i need to crawl back into the woodwork.

whalerider55