Reply #74: Snark registered. Re-read my post. Did I say either war is a victory?

[freshwest]

The 'declare victory and go home' was the spin to stifle the hawks, just as this will do, hopefully. Most of their side still think we won militarily, that' it was just the stinking hippie liberals kept us from staying and finishing the job.' Whatever reason we left, whatever reason we do leave, is a good one. I don't care why.

What time continuum did or do I live in?

The one where I spent my teenage years and early twenties in the streets, trying to get my under 21 year friends the right to vote and not be drafted. The one where I traveled from coast to coast to demonstrate, walked door to door and in every public venue to end the abomination that was the Vietnam war and not some idealized piece of Hollywood drama.

The one where I saw my contemporaries come back in boxes or missing limbs, in wheelchairs, physically and psychologically scarred for life. The one where other members of my family, the ones I don't like to mention have shared, who are dying from barely sleeping for 40 years from memories of 'doing their job.' The one where I've been watching them rot from the inside out.

Just like I'm seeing now with vets coming back dying from the first Gulf War by Bush, Sr. and this latest round by Bush, Jr.

I've talked with people abroad in recent years and my view is this: If it takes the USA going into third world status to end this, that will be fine by me even if it costs me my and family their lives from loss of social safety nets from this. I don't want this on my conscience, I don't want to live in this Orwellian country the RW has been fighting for years to create with these wars and robbing us and the world to enrich the MIC.

I'm talking the tactics of TPTB, any excuse they give to leave. Nixon didn't get before the nation and whine about losing. I don't care what you think about the times I've lived through.