Reply #66: Why does everybody talk as it the results of this election mean anything?

[Stevepol]

Who knows who actually won this election? Who knows who wins any election in the US, whether it's somebody with reasonable, humanitarian goals and principles or the usual corrupt corporatists who presently call the shots?

As long as the vote is counted in total secrecty w/o verification, there is absolute no way to know who wins elections in the US anymore.

I suspect that Halter actually won, that is, more people "tried" to vote for him than "tried" to vote for Lincoln, but who knows? The pre-election polling I believe had Halter up, at least from what I saw, in the latest polls and it stands to reason that the challenger would show better than in the polls because his "trend" was up.

I do think if organized labor spent one-tenth the money they spent on Halter publicizing the fact that we don't have a democracy in the US anymore becuase of the voting machines, their effect on democracy would have been and would be greater in the long run.

But IMO if you work toward a worthy goal, no effort is really wasted.